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In planning stage
« on: January 24, 2010, 06:07:24 PM »
I am in the serious planning stage to open a lan gaming center. I have found a consulting firm for lan centers only that will assist from the business plan all the way through designing, purchasing the right equipment, and opening the company. They charge $500 a month until the business opens and then you would pay the remaining balance of the $12000. They have assisted in opening about 100 stores in the last 10 years world wide. They are rated B in in the BBB, but are not members in it. Would it be wise to use such a company for I am not tech savvy?

I am most well acquainted with Xbox 360s they say there is no profit in lan gaming with 360s... is this true? I know they over heat, but I can have extra fans installed for cooling purposes. This is the main system I would like to use, what would be my wisest course of action?
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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 04:27:09 AM »
I am in the serious planning stage to open a lan gaming center. I have found a consulting firm for lan centers only that will assist from the business plan all the way through designing, purchasing the right equipment, and opening the company. They charge $500 a month until the business opens and then you would pay the remaining balance of the $12000. They have assisted in opening about 100 stores in the last 10 years world wide. They are rated B in in the BBB, but are not members in it. Would it be wise to use such a company for I am not tech savvy?

I am most well acquainted with Xbox 360s they say there is no profit in lan gaming with 360s... is this true? I know they over heat, but I can have extra fans installed for cooling purposes. This is the main system I would like to use, what would be my wisest course of action?


First, the law firm that opens gaming centers.. Hrm.  Is this a US Based law firm?  With you not being tech savvy you would think a law firm would be?  I'll tell you what the law firm does.  They take your money give you a business plan and then gives you some cookie cutter advice (This is not necessarily bad) and then uses sub-contractors (Tech savvy people) to advice on the network setup side of things(If they even go that far).  If your not tech savvy your better with getting with an IT Consulting company.  Because that's roughly what the "law firm" would be doing.  Law firms are great to keep you on track on the legal side but "IT Consulting"?  Because that's what it sounds like you are needing.

As for Profit for 360s.. That's an up down game.  Your consoles aren't going to be your money makers they will in best case scenario maintain themselves fiscally.  IE Pay for new games, new consoles and repairs (Because with consoles you will have alot of repairs on XBOX 360s). I've always looked at my Consoles/Stations as my way to bring in traffic and get customers in my store and my add-on purchases as my money makers.  Example add-on purchases: Cokes, Candy, Food, Apparel, Peripheral, PC Repair, etc etc etc.  Those are what have always been my real profit makers my game center just gave me an excellent platform to work within.  My goal with the stations are for them to pay their own bills and nothing else.  I've always been known that if my stations start making an "realized" profit, I would cut hour prices because I'm charging too much. (Or hire an employee to help out, I use station money always to pay bills and reinvest, new machines, new games, repairs, employees) I cut hour prices more people come in, and stay longer.  The longer they are there the more likely they are too buy add-on purchases.

I would suggest getting with a company like gamecenterdirect.com  They are partners with iGames. I've gotten several fair quotes from them and they "warranty" machines sold, and offer extended warranties on X360s.  Honestly this is as close as it gets to a one stop shop for game center equipment, networking, and consultation.  I would take the "quote" you got from the lawfirm and take it to gamecenterdirect and those guys over there will definitely beat them on the consultation side.  I'm not saying they'll take care of you on the Business plan, filing info, taxes, blah blah blah.  But they will do decent with the consultation.  Because even getting quotes for buying equipment for them they helped me out with my existing layout for free and saved ME money. They are flexible to work with and you give them a budget and a goal and they work very hard to get within that.  If your doing a large deployment (Opening a Large center) the time they can save you alone is worth it.  Most of my time consuming tasks were designing a network, designing pcs, designing a layout,  You give the specifications you want to these guys and they'll run with it. I've never actually bought from them personally (I've known centers that have) and they are still very good customer service.

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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 06:56:45 AM »
I haven't opened a LAN center yet, but I am in the VERY SERIOUS phase of planning and funding... and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I think you must do ALOT more homework before you get too serious about starting a center like this. I would be very turned off if I went into a center and tried talking TECH TALK with the owner and he didn't know what I was talking about.

As far as business planning, there are alot of templates and "FAKE" Business plans out there for you to read and get the general idea of how you should model your plan or ideas about startup costs that you might not be thinking about... I have learned soooo much in these last few weeks, just by using my old friend GOOGLE. just take the time and read in forums and join sites and read. You will get alot further ahead by reading and saving the information and talking with someone about it. Has helped me a TON.

Good Luck, and if you have any ?'s ASK!!!!! :)

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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 03:55:06 PM »
I haven't opened a LAN center yet, but I am in the VERY SERIOUS phase of planning and funding... and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I think you must do ALOT more homework before you get too serious about starting a center like this. I would be very turned off if I went into a center and tried talking TECH TALK with the owner and he didn't know what I was talking about.

As far as business planning, there are alot of templates and "FAKE" Business plans out there for you to read and get the general idea of how you should model your plan or ideas about startup costs that you might not be thinking about... I have learned soooo much in these last few weeks, just by using my old friend GOOGLE. just take the time and read in forums and join sites and read. You will get alot further ahead by reading and saving the information and talking with someone about it. Has helped me a TON.

Good Luck, and if you have any ?'s ASK!!!!! :)

I have to disagree on the not being tech savvy part.  I've seen and known owners that weren't that tech savvy that were great business men and had great centers but they were very self aware of the fact they weren't tech savvy and their resident "geek" (Hired IT guy) was put on a pedestal.  That not being tech savvy cost then dearly.  But if everyone with an idea in technology was a technical genius, us nerd/geeks aka IT Professionals wouldn't have work.

But I do promise you that if you run a center for a while you will eventually become tech savvy.
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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 08:02:45 PM »
I appreciate the input guys. The firm is a consulting firm... they are not a law firm. But I like the sounds of the company you were talking about Deeds and will be doing some research on them a a little bit. I am currently in the process of getting a business degree via the internet. I love business and I actually am a manager right now. I have plenty of experience working with people. I am very detail oriented and like everything to blend in together and have a place. I know this is ideal for a successful business. Having a messy place and not looking very sharp will bring fewer customers back. Cleanliness is a must and so is customer service.

I plan on learning more about the tech stuff, but can only learn one thing at a time. I plan on hiring in one guy who would be my technician. This is one reason why I desired to stick with closer to one system and selling of merchandise, candy, and snacks, ect.

I also can offer a very low costing cooling process for 360s and pcs that most people do not do and that is copper plating of the carriages and cd drives. This helps keep constant running machines from having their components from over heating. (Handy working for my fahter-in-law... he will probably practicaly give it away to me. He has even agreed to give me a major discount to other people in like mind as me.
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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 01:40:18 AM »
Deeds... I gotcha. Makes alot of sense. I just went to a place and the guy running the place knew, seemingly, NOTHING about ANYTHING. Even had to call his "tech" and get him to explain how to get us set up. WON'T be going back, was pretty sad!

But I guess I see what you are saying, if you are exposed to it, after a while you will start to soak it in! But it is definitely to your benefit to get in the know!!!

I like the thought that I have of your cooling system. Am anxious to see some pics, whenever you can. sounds like it could be a good investment!

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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 03:31:08 AM »
I appreciate the input guys. The firm is a consulting firm... they are not a law firm. But I like the sounds of the company you were talking about Deeds and will be doing some research on them a a little bit. I am currently in the process of getting a business degree via the internet. I love business and I actually am a manager right now. I have plenty of experience working with people. I am very detail oriented and like everything to blend in together and have a place. I know this is ideal for a successful business. Having a messy place and not looking very sharp will bring fewer customers back. Cleanliness is a must and so is customer service.

I plan on learning more about the tech stuff, but can only learn one thing at a time. I plan on hiring in one guy who would be my technician. This is one reason why I desired to stick with closer to one system and selling of merchandise, candy, and snacks, ect.

I also can offer a very low costing cooling process for 360s and pcs that most people do not do and that is copper plating of the carriages and cd drives. This helps keep constant running machines from having their components from over heating. (Handy working for my fahter-in-law... he will probably practicaly give it away to me. He has even agreed to give me a major discount to other people in like mind as me.

Sorry about calling it a law firm.  I guess I should have paid closer attention.
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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 01:25:30 PM »
I laughed when you said that... the thought alone is funny. A law firm that is also a technology & business consultant. good concept, could be pretty profitable! Too bad I'M NOT GOING TO LAW SCHOOL!!!!

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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 07:49:10 PM »
Simple mistake about the firm thing no big deal lol. I slip up like that more often than I would care to say. I know some technical stuff already that is why I would stick with 360s mostly, because I know more about them than pcs.

I am sure it would not take to long for me to start picking things up once I get started. What hours of the day would you suggest for the center being opened? I have noticed quite a few centers with different times and was wondering what worked for you, Deeds.

I will keep you posted on the 360 coolling trick.
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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 10:49:23 PM »
Simple mistake about the firm thing no big deal lol. I slip up like that more often than I would care to say. I know some technical stuff already that is why I would stick with 360s mostly, because I know more about them than pcs.

I am sure it would not take to long for me to start picking things up once I get started. What hours of the day would you suggest for the center being opened? I have noticed quite a few centers with different times and was wondering what worked for you, Deeds.

I will keep you posted on the 360 coolling trick.
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Sunday - Thursday 12pm - 10pm (Possibly extended in the summer time)

I actually was always closed on mondays.  It was my update and repair day.  I didn't decide on monday until after being open on mondays for quit some time and mondays ALWAYS being dead regardless of my best efforts.

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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 09:11:19 AM »
To be honest with you... my pc knowledge didn't come about until my freshman(only) year in college... I had a Xbox1 and a friend soft-modded it for me for $50 and I had opened the disk tray to turn it on and clicked on something and all but killed it... so I had to TSOP flash it to fix it. and from having to learn allllll about that, I got a techy chub and got into it.

Anything I come across I just google it. I am pretty effective at Googling... being able to search is going to save you lots of time, and it just comes with doing it! The way I found out how to build a computer was I took mine apart, making notes on anything that seemed odd, and then re-built it(and cleaned). It's almost like a fancy version of the game you played as a kid, where you had to put the square block through the square hole.... a more 3d version of that game, with much worse consequences if you screw it up somehow! :)

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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 07:24:57 PM »
Thanks, for the times, Deeds. I was not so sure about the hours I had been thinking. I like the analogy about fixing things, Rxp. How often would you suggest tournaments. I usually see most people that I have found did them rarely, but I was thinking that would be one of the bigger money makers at a game center? How much would you suggest charging per person for the tournaments. I have seen prices bounce from $10-25. I was thinking if it was closer to $25 then I was thinking it would be better to ffer something with the full price... i.e. catered meal and a free drink, perhaps? Let me know what you guys think.
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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2010, 08:52:23 PM »
Don't call them Tournaments.  Call them Lock-ins that will have an optional tournament going on.

I charged 25 for non members and 20 for members I provide pizza, drink, and entertainment. I would run tournaments while the lock-in would be going on.  Now when I did hardcore tournametns there wasn't a lock in but general "tournaments" were always with a lockin

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Re: In planning stage
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 12:43:29 AM »
not to question your methods,  but what made you decide to do the lock-in with the tournament inside, rather than a tournament all to itself? Just curious to see how you think it through  ???

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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2010, 01:41:46 AM »
Lock-ins appeal to a larger audience.
When you say tournament you get only tournament goers.. You call it a lock-in with an optional tournament you get people just wanting to socialize AND tournament goers.
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