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New lan center
« on: May 03, 2010, 04:58:17 AM »
Hey guys my name is Erik and I am 21 years old, I currently work full time and plan on going to school full time starting this fall for business/IT. This dea is still in the planning process, this idea has grown from my love and passion of computers and gaming, my wife has agreed to start this business with me after I finish school.  The location would be around portland/gresham, Oregon and there is no competiton around, not even in the state.

The main reason I am posting is because I wanted some information to work with. I know 95% of lan centers flop but I refuse to let those work with. I know 95% of lan centers flop but I refuse to let those numbers get in numbers get in my way, I know for a fact that a lan center can be very successful based on a few factors (location, atmosphere, management etc..) There is no reason to talk a about hardware/software right now because technology changes so fast that when this lan center starts we will be on cod9. What I have come here to ask is

What made your lan center successful? 
How much did it cost to start your lan center and run it for 6 months?
What did you do besides the hourly rates/snacks to make money?
How many computers/consoles did you start with?
Did you do the labor yourself or pay somebody to put everything together?
When you started your center did you have andegrees/certificates?

Anything else you might have to say or add would be greatly appreciated I am just looking for some friendly helpful advice so I can start number crunching and just get a better idea of the business side of things. You can also try to shoot this down like most people do, it will just encourage me to work harder and make this even more of a sucess.  If anybody also knows what licenses you need to open a lan center that would also be helpful.

Sorry about typos, I'm on my phone

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 09:01:59 AM »
Hay Erik,

First I wish you good luck, as I am in a similar situation.

You should start off by looking through Deed's blog. a lot of your questions here are answered there already.
I haven't started one myself yet, but I have done most of the research and whatnot and am just searching for funding now. so ill help with what I do know.

cost and run for 6 months? different for every location. and there is a lot to think about. deeds has a simple calculator on this sight somewhere that will get you started.
profit besides rates and snacks? tournaments, lock-ins, merchandise, and I will repeat, snacks. have all the hot gamer snacks and drinks. Bawls, red bull, amped, monster, Doritoes, cheese puffs, all the standard stuff.
stations to start with?  generally, from what I found, anything under 20 stations to start with is really hard to run successfully. not impossible, just hard. I personally want to go with 20 computers and 4-8 consoles.
Labor for startup. I plan on having a consultant for some of the work. but most of the "business" stuff you need to do yourself. for game center related projects consulting, give a look at DreamGCs, or Game Center Direct. both have a positive image in the community and seem rather helpful.
Degrees/Certificates at startup? not necessary if you have the right tools and knowledge and determination. in fact, from what i know, most small business owners don't. hell, some big business owners don't, or at least didn't when they started.


also you might want to do some target research. if there are NO competitors at all, there might be a reason.

and also check out IGames. I'm not a member yet, but plan to be before I startup. its just a large community of owners that can help. only catch is the fee, but most people seem to think its worth it.

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 11:21:30 AM »
Thanks for the response, exactly what i was looking for, i have read most of deeds blogs and i just want more information from other sources, i want other owners, people who have failed, people who have succeeded, this is definitely something i want to just go and do right now, but i am going to do my homework, get school done, and make sure when i start my lan center everything is worked out and it doesn't flop after 1 year.  So any other information like blatens would be awsome.

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 01:16:05 PM »
Hello Hedg3s,

Glad to see you are looking to get into the game center industry.  I think your number of 95% of LAN centers flop is high, game centers have no higher fail rate than any new small business which is 64% roughly.  Recently you have seen the industry have higher than previous years shrinkage, but if you trend it with over all entertainment the number match up pretty well.  Recession causes contraction, so all this is showing is that an industry that was once thought to be recession proof by many in the industry is not.  To us however this is the time to open a new business, if you can make it work in the hard times you will be better off when the economy make a recovery, and still have a solid plan in place that will allow you to weather any economic turmoil.  

I think you are not looking hard enough if you think there is no competition in your area.  Even if it is not another LAN center near you there are likely entertainment venues.  Movie Theaters, Arcades/pizza places, after school programs, pools, Amusement parks.  You are in competition with all of these businesses for entertainment dollar, so when you plan think of how to make your pricing and center competitive with these places as well.  

1)  This is a question that will probably be different for most centers, but I think you hit the nail on the head with Location, Atmosphere, and Management.
2)  Cost to start up depends on the size of the center and build out requirements, centers can range from $50,000 in equipment and $20,000 build out to $125,000 in equipment and $50,000 build out.  It all depends on what you’re looking to do.  6 month operating costs are going to be dependent on a couple things, biggest is rent, that will take the chunk of most centers monthly operating cost.
3)  Lock-ins, birthday parties, launch events, and retail.  You can pair a lot of things with a game center to generate additional income.  Some centers do card games, collectables, restaurants, alcohol.  
4)  The minimum we recommend to support of any platform is 8.  20 stations is currently thought of as minimum standard for the industry right now.
5)  No, do nothing yourself pay us.  ;D  J/K   If you have the ability to do the work, do it, you are the cheapest labor you will ever have to pay for.  However I will say your time is valuable, and when you start any new business you are going to be pulled in a lot of directions at once.  
6)  There is no requirement of education for starting a business, I have meet many business owners and their level of education ranges and most of the time does not even determine their success.  Knowledge and passion for what you are doing is going to help in any area of business you go into.

I-Games is another source of information, I can tell you however their forums are dominated by California centers, and if you take this idea to them they are going to tell you something like "anything under a 100 stations is not going to be worth it".  Also there is a cost to joining I-Games even if are just looking for information on if you want to get into this industry.   I would recommend joining I-Games but I would hold off until you are 100% that you are doing this, 100% means funding is secured, otherwise you could end up spending money that will give you no return.  

Keep asking questions, keep bouncing ideas off of people, refine and redefine your idea for a game center.

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 01:30:42 PM »
I would recommend joining I-Games but I would hold off until you are 100% that you are doing this, 100% means funding is secured, otherwise you could end up spending money that will give you no return.  

my plan exactly. dont want to spend money until i know i have the money to spend on it!

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 05:40:52 PM »
I definitely agree with the fact that iGames is dominated by California Centers.  Most of what applies to a cali center doesn't apply to say a Center started in louisiana, arkansas, mississippi.  Cost of living in these places are insanely lower.  And you can work with a smaller startup and it be successful.  Californians are go big or go home.  Not a bad mindset, but not neccasarily a good mindset for a midwest center.  We can make much smaller setups very profitable, mainly cause our rent for commercial space isn't insane.

Also I can't stress this enough on looking for a location.  Check the AC unit.  See what its rated for and when it was last replaced and what your landlord will or won't cover with it.  During the summer with a center full of heat producing machines it will get HOT and your AC will have to have the stamina to keep it cool.

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 09:25:51 PM »
@GCD
Thanks for the response, there is a huge change i might use a company like yours to do the networking, i know i will be going to school for networking/IT but to make it all look good with all those darn wires i don't think i want to mess with it myself, now hardware/software i can definitely spend the time doing myself because i have been doing it for a long time.  The only thing that is sketchy at the moment is how many stations, i am going into business with my wife atm, and at first we were aiming high with 30 PCs, but now for starting we were definitely looking at something like 16-20 and 2-4 consoles.  The location we are looking at right now is within walking distance of a high school, and maybe 1-4 miles from a CC, the problem is it is right by a classic movie theater 4bucks for a double feature, only upside is they show the same movie for 2 weeks straight so it shouldn't be a problem.  I wish igames forums were free so i could get some advice because it seems like a great source, but that will be an expense i am looking to pay closer to the time i open the center.  There is a 1000sq ft/1000$mo place right where i want to open my center that just came available, curses!! and thanks deeds my wife was thinking central AC and possible a new unit(idk how much they cost but it was an idea).

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 01:05:12 AM »
Hey guys my name is Erik and I am 21 years old, I currently work full time and plan on going to school full time starting this fall for business/IT. This dea is still in the planning process, this idea has grown from my love and passion of computers and gaming, my wife has agreed to start this business with me after I finish school.  The location would be around portland/gresham, Oregon and there is no competiton around, not even in the state.

The main reason I am posting is because I wanted some information to work with. I know 95% of lan centers flop but I refuse to let those work with. I know 95% of lan centers flop but I refuse to let those numbers get in numbers get in my way, I know for a fact that a lan center can be very successful based on a few factors (location, atmosphere, management etc..) There is no reason to talk a about hardware/software right now because technology changes so fast that when this lan center starts we will be on cod9. What I have come here to ask is

What made your lan center successful? 
How much did it cost to start your lan center and run it for 6 months?
What did you do besides the hourly rates/snacks to make money?
How many computers/consoles did you start with?
Did you do the labor yourself or pay somebody to put everything together?
When you started your center did you have andegrees/certificates?

Anything else you might have to say or add would be greatly appreciated I am just looking for some friendly helpful advice so I can start number crunching and just get a better idea of the business side of things. You can also try to shoot this down like most people do, it will just encourage me to work harder and make this even more of a sucess.  If anybody also knows what licenses you need to open a lan center that would also be helpful.

Sorry about typos, I'm on my phone


I used your post as a basis for my most recent blog post have a look at it here:
http://startalancenter.com/qa-what-makes-a-successful-lan-center
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Re: New lan center
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 01:18:48 AM »
Thanks I commented and still have a huge list of questions but i have plenty of time to get those answered, and I was wondering did you ever ask other LAN center owners about how they made their business successful?

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 02:14:08 AM »
I didn't really ask what made the center itself successful but I asked what they had sold that had been successful.  When I first started I knew not a single lan center owner personally.  And the ones I knew from the internet were all in california.  So alot of the information I was getting from them I had to take with a grain of salt due to the fact the high cost of living where their centers were located.  And honestly "trends" in Cali are a helluva lot different then what they are in redneck states.  For example during hunting season the cabella games became very popular on the xboxes.  Due to the fact I was in some redneck states.  I don't think I've ever heard a single Cali Center reporting something like that.

I would say don't concentrate so hard on what specifically worked for other centers but what works for you.  What can YOU bring new to the table?  What can you do different that might or might not work.  Every area is different and what works for me might not work for you.

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 03:10:51 AM »
Thanks again for the great advice, I will definitely be hanging around this site when it comes time to open the center, any other advice would be great keep it coming guys.

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Re: New lan center
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2010, 12:43:36 PM »
Make sure to go to SCORE with your business plan. They were a great help for me. They said I was the most prepared person that has ever walked through their doors in my area. This means I have done my research and preparations very well.

SCORE is free and they give free business advice and advice on business plans. I had mine all written up. They found one tiny flaw in the plan. Besides that they think my business will fly when I get it going.

Like everyone my issue is $$$.

Check out SCORE.

Make sure the wife is 100% on board. If she is not completely she will destroy your joy in this venture, your business, and all you own will fall away into ash. It is a way out of the corporate world and it gives you the ability to control your income... these are plusses to tell her. And you can spend more time together! : )    (Always a big deal with my wife!!!)
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2010, 02:04:15 PM »
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Make sure the wife is 100% on board. If she is not completely she will destroy your joy in this venture, your business, and all you own will fall away into ash. It is a way out of the corporate world and it gives you the ability to control your income... these are plusses to tell her. And you can spend more time together! : )    (Always a big deal with my wife!!!)

Quoted for truth.  You definitely have to have the wife on board.  She can and will make your life a living hell if she doesn't agree with your venture.

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